"...keep your enemies closer..."

Am descoperit un joculet interesant cu care mai sparg monotonia de la servici. Gasit, impropriu spus , joculetul fiindu-mi recomandat de un camarad...recomandare care v-o fac si eu. Joculetul se numeste eRepublik. Joc social (in viziunea mea cel putin). Scopul: muncesti sa faci niste banuti, ca sa mananci sa nu-ti moara "e-citizen-ul" si sa-i cumperi arme ca, odata ce te-ai antrenat putin, sa te duci sa lupti pentru tara ta. Interesant, captivant, inevitabil are niste chichite de ordin interfata si administratie care nu-mi sunt tocmai pe plac. In schimb compenseaza prin niste optiuni interesante, deosebite fata de alte browsergame-uri, anume posibilitatea (de la un anumit nivel ) de a vota presedintele tarii,oamenii din congres (alti jucatori) si chiar si anumite legi, iti poti creea partid, sa-ti faci campanie si toate cele de natura politica. O alta optiune , cel putin pentru mine inedita in astfel de joc...e aceea de media...incepi prin a face un ziar, ti-l promovezi pe forum, daca prinde ce ai scris acolo iti strangi subscriberi, castigi niste banuti (cred...inca n-am nivelul necesar sa-mi fac ziar...mai astept putin ) si eventual ajungi "hatmai" magnatul mediatic.

Rasfoind forumul am descoperit ceva interesant, lumea din joc e foarte implicata politic si social, de la fascisti, socialisti de toate felurile, democrati, anarhisti pana la hipioti si mi se pare ca era si un partid al voiei bune. Atunci ma izbeste minunata idee: sa profit de peisajul asta multicolor politic si sa mai invat cate ceva despre niste curente si idei de la oamenii care le practica si predica si bineinteles sa-mi exersez si eu "oratoricul" cu principiile mele.

introducerea mea pe un forum al unui ziar socialist:

Radu Gyr

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Posted 4 days ago

Politics » A new Socialist newspaper in town!

i want to have an open disscusion with a socialist me being a nationalist (don't think hitler and nazis)...i'm not looking for a fight or querel, i just want to compare ideologies, i must say i'm not that well informed about your ideology...want to learn about it...let's say to have an edge over some mindless underage nazis...who hate communism and any form of socialism just because they think that that's what nationalism is all about... i figured this would be the best place to find someone to talk to openly, not from books not theories...i'm talking about what's practical, non-utopic, RL-linked, realistic in socialism, also i'm willing to share my experience in nationalism. Hope no one is offended, i come in peace.


Please PM me...i don't want everybody joining in on this disscusion, all the newly-born socialists, who are so because their parents are or because they hadn't heard or documented themselves about anything else...posers to be more exact...i now i'm being a dick but let's face it every social group has them, every social group will always have them...it's the human nature's need to belong to a group. Or if it is easier for you spirit_on_a_leash@yahoo.com. If your going to talk in theories and ideologies and talking from books or he-said-she-said non-sense...please abstain yourselves from sending me any messages.

Thanks for your time. as the russians would say it "Privet" :) *****


Am primit un mesaj de la ceea ce se pare a fi "capo di tutti capi" al ziarului respectiv ...urmeaza schimbul de mesaje:

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Cleforo 2009-05-06 11:13:26

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Hi, I noticed that you would like to have a discussion.
I would be glad to have that with you, and I understand that you don't like the wannabe communists that replied to my my forum article.
You must also understand that I'm a social democrat, or moderate marxist as I choose to call it sometimes. So, if you want to speak to a real socialist, I might not be the best person to speak to (even though I have strong feelings against nationalism). I think that communism and capitalism both are terrible, and using logical thinking, the solution must be something between those two.

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Radu Gyr 2009-05-07 11:37:28

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ok...agreed, baby steps...why not. First thing's first, why do you have strong feelings agains nationalism?

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Cleforo 2009-05-07 12:45:31

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I'm against especially ethnic nationalism and radical forms of nationalism.
In my eyes people have always been equal, regardless of race, culture, wealth etc.
The world is simply too modern nowadays to be oppressing someone for those reasons.
For me, as long as I am allowed to be myself as an individual, I do not care what country I reside in, etc.
For a nationalist, the nation obviously comes first,
For me, the individual does.

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Radu Gyr 2009-05-07 21:15:54

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But people are not equal, we may want to think they are, but physically, mentally and spiritually they are not. There are differences in mentallity between an american and an european for example...as there are differences in mentallity between let's say italians and romanians(like myself) although we both are latin. We don't make the differences between people, the differences are there by pure nature. Saying that a black guy isn't black is like dening what he is just so he can be integrated in the society, thus making the individual just another sheep in a flok, evrybody deserves to be amongst their own kind...sure i agree...go visit places, see the world, but you can't ignore the fact that differences are present. Nationalism isn't something new, or something that appeared in WW2, it was present ever since the need for similar tribes to unite as one - the human need to be amongst siblings.
Sure the individual is very important but don't ignore his ethnic heritage, and where can he better evolve as an individual but amongst his own kind where they understand eachother...they understand their needs. Every country has different needs.

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Cleforo 2009-05-07 22:02:38

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All I can say to all of that is:
Being equal doesn't mean that you are not unique :)
I doubt that you're a real nationalist, your argument is really unclear.
I sent you a list of things that I don't like about nationalism, learn what they are and then start an argument based on that :)
Yours,
eComrade Cleforo

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Radu Gyr 2009-05-07 22:59:53

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you doubt i'm a nationalist from what you know nationalism to be...nationalism isn't hate for other people or countries, nationalism is the unconditional love for your own people and country, with no disrespect for the others. For instance people may call me xenophobic just because i tell them i don't support the ideea of going to work in another country, i have the same poor opinion for those who come here as well as for my fellow romanians that do the same thing in other countries. This is why there is no equality , because the poorer countries have less and less work force, all their workers are going away. What happens to those countries, i ask you? they disappear along with their whole culture. That's nationalism, that's why the nation is very important, and more important is to stand by your nation in all it's moments including economical downfall. Don't go working some place else just for your own personal benefits. your country and it's culture will die out

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Nationalism is indeed loving your own people and country, but also putting it in front of everyone/everything else. I understand your opinion on the working abroad thing, but is that all you base your nationalism on?

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Radu Gyr 2009-05-09 11:37:40

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no i don't base my beliefs just on foreigners and abroad...my understanding of nationalism is not hating everything different from you is appreciating and loving without question your own kind their history, their national identity and so on. putting in front doesn't mean ignoring and denying...i would be more than willing to help another country to be proud of their own history, traditions, nationality.
it's like you have an apple orchard and by accident a raspberry bush appears somwhere in that orchard, thus changing the whole ideea of an APPLE orchard...in my opinion...i will not destroy the raspberry bush, i would just replant it somwhere else, a bush and a tree have different needs, both of them are very useful...but you can't take care of a bush if you're a tree gardner, you know how to take care of a tree, you better now what it needs, you can only guess what a bush wants so it's best to leave it grow among other bushes...i'm not sure if i was clear enough with what i mean.
please ask me if enything was unclear in the metaphore..it's importnat to better understand how i think.
p.s. don't think i'm trying to chang your way of thinking or anything, just presenting my opinion on how true nationalism should be...and that's what i expect from you and your visions on socialism.

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In that case we don't have an argument here, I clearly stated what kinds of nationalism i'm against :) loving your country and people is alright, but the actions you take for them can often be to the worse.
You won't change my way of thinking, don't worry :)

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Radu Gyr 2009-05-09 11:43:19

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my way of seeing nationalism isn't what you would see in hitler's way of seeing it, that's why i'm so mad when i hear people associating nationalism strictly to the nazis...nationalism existed way before 1920s, nationalism starts from patriotism...but they're a bit different.

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I understand what you are saying, I would be just as mad if someone would call me a Communist :)
People who do so are simply ignorant, that's all.
nationalism has always existed, from the day of small tribes in the stone age to today.

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Radu Gyr 2009-05-09 11:51:15

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i think i said it my self ( about the tribes ..in a previous message :) ) . anyway... um i spilled my thoughts on my beliefs... now i ask you, why socialism?...why does it represent you?...how did you end up supporting socialism?
i'd really appreciate it if you'd answer these questions in separate phrases, if it wouldn't be much trouble :)
thanks

Si de aici n-a mai zis nimic interlocutorul meu. inca astept.

*****textul e in engleza fiind un joc international, traduceri la cerere

Multumesc ca ai citit pana aici...vor mai urma discutii de genu asta cu reprezentanti ai diferitelor ideologii, sper eu sa le cuprind pe toate. Pana atunci recomand jocul...am trimis invitatie pe mail tuturor din lista mea de contacte...daca esti si tu interesat zi-ceva pe id-u' spirit_on_a_leash@yahoo.com si trimit invitatie.

Tulai ca fu fain

Pentru cei care "m-au trimis la origini", puteti dormii linistiti...am fost si a fost foarte fain.
Desi originile la care ma refer eu au fost cu caracter patern decat matern. Destula introducere codata...am fost la Caineni, 42 km de Sibiu, 56 km de Rm. Valcea, satuc pe Valea Oltului unde se afla neamul lui Motoc (numele de fata al bunicii). N-am destule informatii despre legatura dintre neamul meu si personajul istoric moldovean...insa oamenii mei plini de suflet, viata, o vitalitate si o putere de munca incredibila (toti de la 40 la 80, 90 ani ), oameni religiosi cu frica lui Dumnezeu, primitori calzi si multi . N-am mai calcat meleagurile respective, perene inca, cu peisaje alpine care te-ar face sa nu observi ca balesti cat timp stai cascat, privindu-le...sa tot fie vreo 14 ani de cand tin eu minte ca eu si cu verisoara mea strangeam puii de gat si eu ma jucam cu Bindi ( caine roscovan, incredibil de istet...pe larg altadata). La fiecare cuvant pe care il tastez imi mai vin in cap alte 5 amintiri de acolo de cand eram eu de inaltimea trandafirilor pitici ai lu' Tanti Nuta.
Ideea blogului nu a fost menita sa fie bazata in mod special pe amintiri, reverii, intamplari banale, cotidiene...insa n-am putut sa ma abtin, prea multe lucruri , stari si sentimente le-am trait in 3 zile cat sa ma tina pana .... in fine mult timp.
Mi-a placut: pai tot ...romanu face haz de necaz si deci se distreaza rezulta ca eu m-am simtit oricum foarte bine si am adorat experienta
Nu mi-a placut: vesnicul tata care a tinut mortis sa se certe tot drumul cu "mandra lui"( o snoaba tipica, adaptata comunismului care forteaza adaptarea a oricum-s-ar-numii-regimul curent) , vesnicul tata care bea sa se simta bine ( so he says ) doar ca nu odata in 3 zile s-a simtit atat de bine incat replica "la ce etaj suntem si cum am ajuns aici" ma va bantuii o perioada, nu mi-a placut momentul meu de lipsa de perspicacitate de dinaintea plecarii cand "maine nu se lucreaza" nu se referea si la mine si nu mi-a placut ca sunt legat de responsabilitatea muncii din bucuresti si de necesitatea unei tidule academice, ca tare mi-ar fi suras ideea unei sederi prelungite.

Ziua 1. Vineri 1 Mai 2009. "Pe cai osteni". Noapte aproape alba intr-un "Gec" proaspat redeschis DETERMINAT (cca. 3 saptamani), Catalina, Razvan, Dalak vamaiot de tren tarziu, Fabrizio ( America e doar 1 singur continent nu 2 sa stiti......dar mai bine sa nu), Ursus...Taxi ieftin...camin, somn 3 ore..."Fa ba Maisule bagaju" ( fa bagaju = blugi de drum, pantaloni grosi, 2 perechi pantaloni scurti, tricouri , hanorac, sosete, chiloti; metoda: cu lopata) . Ajung la tata, mananc si beau o bere( insist sa mentionez ca am mancat si am baut din motive clare ulterior). Ne suim in Buburuza lu tata (Matiz 2005), traseul ales cu "dibacitate" de stimabila doamna de societate care-l implineste pe tata...ne-a ocolit prin aglomerata piata Obor pentru a satisface obsesia "dansei" de a lua fructe cand se duce in vizita ( bineinteles nu s-au mancat...noi mergand la tara, oamenii n-au nevoie...DUH! ), obiectivul 2...Carrefour, motivul sa luam bere si carne de mici si ciocolata pentru copiii de acolo ( ghici ce? aveau si ei la magazin sau chiar bauturi si mancaruri produse la ei acasa...gen incredibila tuica de prune a unchiului Sorin, 60 grade sau friptura din vitelul lu Nea Gica - dar na "Coana Chirita" ce sa-i faci?) o parte am apreciat din traseul pre-traseul-propriu-zis, vizita pe la varul Horia, 1 MAI 2003...da, ziua lui, pustiulica asta ma apreciaza fantastic si il asigur ca e reciproc. Plecam intr-un final dupa o deviere de o ora juma care putea fi evitata daca ar fi fost facuta inca cu o seara in urma...sugestie pe care i-am prezentat-o dealtfel babacului insa n-a vrut doamna (probabil ai observat...da m-a scos din minti "doamna" si o voi critica si ironiza pe tot parcursul textului). Autostrada. Dabulesti - opriti la mici...12 cm de carne bine facuta, aromata si ieftina 3 lei/bucatoaia. Bujoreni , acasa la unchiu' Sorin, doamna Sorin, anume Oprica si fii Sorin: Andreea si Adrian Constantin a.k.a. "Costica", "Costicuta", "Adi", "Adriana" si "Jumulitule". Sorin face gratarul , ne da vestita lui tuica, incepe sa picure, ne bagam in casa, bem, mancam, tot fain...se imbata groaznic tata, cade prin holul oamenilor cautand toaleta...in fine, rusinos...dar trebuie sa-i fac reclama. Si sa nu uit , Doamna Chirita nu si-a iesit din caracter: stand cu picioarele cocotate pe mobila oamenilor si zicandu-le cate-n luna si-n stele de ce face ea, despre ce nu-i convine, bagandu-se si implicandu-se in modul de a educa copiii (nota informativa : nu are, n-a avut copii).Mesaj de la munca: Cat mai ai? ...Eu: ce sa am? Ei suna: " sper ca glumesti, stii ca aveai de munca azi?" "Nu, nu stiam fiindca mi-ai zis ca nu se lucreaza...data viitoare specifica daca si noi, paznicii, lucram sau nu".Dorm la TV...film romanesc nou , cuplu tanar la mare 1 mai.

Ziua 2. Sambata 3 Mai 2009. "Memento vitae". Trezit...Sorin a insistat sa mai facem un gratar inainte sa plecam spre Caineni, ca cel de ieri la care a insistat sa ajute tata a fost facut in intregime de gazda noastra, nu ca ar fi fost diferit si acum. De mentionat, gratarul a fost facut la 10 minute dupa ce am mancat copios de dimineata. La Gratar: mancat cu inconstienta, baut cel putin din partea mea cantitati titanice de tuica, tata a servit si el...a condus Chirita. Mare obiectiv: Manastirea Cozia...am aprins lumanari, am sarutat icoanele, am baut si ne-am spalat pe fata cu apa sfintita din izvor...tipic turistului crestin...faina experienta...nemaivizitand o manastire cu asa incarcatura istorica de 9-10 ani. Continuam drumul pe valea creata de Olt...peisaje care mai bine le vedeti voi decat sa umplu pagina de epitete si metafore care mai de care... In sfarsit podul spre sat...din pacate au desfintat cascada unde am crezut prima oara ca ma inec...ioi alte amintiri...abtine-te Maisule. Ajungem. Parcam. Tanti Nuta la poarta ne astepta cu cozonac facut de ea...doamne cum poate sa gateasca femeia asta...dovada faptul ca, am mancat in continuu cat am stat la ea de la sarmale, ciorba de vita, supa de pui, mamaliga cu branza de burduf, prajituri, pana si salata simpla cu castraveti, rosii si marar pare aparte.Tuica. Vestea sosirii noastre a adus dupa sine vizita neamului in curtea Nutei si a lu' Nea Gica: Tanti Mia care seamana izbitor cu bunica-mea, Tanti Nutica, nevasta de preot care face o visinata de o bei ca pe sirop, Mama Mita ce frumos recita la 90 de ani poezii invatate cand avea 7-8 primaveri, nu mai vorbesc ca ne-a compus pe loc ceva, Nea Gheorghe...pe care-l citez "eram mare manglitor cand eram june, dansam pe masa, mai faceam cu ochiu vreunei fetiscane...asta e frumos la batranete cand iti aduci aminte ca ai fost tanar, iti amintesti si stii ca puterea o ai...desi corpu nu te-ajuta". Ce sa mai un deliciu de neam...trecand totusi si in lumea celor care nu mai cuvanta, vizita la cimitir a fost pentru tata un moment...sa zicem doar ca am lacrimat si eu, ca mai apoi sa ma desfat pe Valea lu Mihai, zona faina la poale de deal, panorama inspre tot satul si nu numai. Vizitand verii lu tata, parintii lor si zona...mi-am dat seama ca ei chiar traiesc, chiar sug din viata fiecare bucatica, muncind caci vorba Mamei Mita: "Cine nu munceste, nu mananca, asta-i legea vietii pe la noi" , iar din aceasta munca, asezandu-se la masa intr-un asemenea "peisagiu"pitoresc, unde plamanul tau doar aer curat si sanatos simte, cu rudele si prietenii...asta face existenta noastra sa merite. N-am mai fost de mult dar lanul de porumb unde mancam pe furis ciocolata furata de la sora bunicii cu vara-mea, grajdul unde statea scroafa care ma speria pe mine din motive acum necunoscute, curtea cu via deasa...toate mi-au dat vitalitatea care mi-a stors-o bucurestiul fara epitete, fara subiectiv sau obiectiv, fara litera mare...bucurestiul, nici macar Chirita lu tata n-am mai bagat-o in seama. Ce bine am dormit atunci desi am fost trezit in miez de noapte de o pisica alba si ciunga care s-a furisat la mine in camera inainte sa ajung eu...petrecand o bucata de noapte acolo ca mai apoi sa isi "mieune" iesirea cu efectul trezirii mele.
Ziua 3. Duminica 3 Mai 2009. "Drum bun, multa sanatate, Dumnezeu sa va ajute la munca, la scoala, la tot ce faceti voi si sa ne vedem sanatosi si mai tineri data viitoare". Asa un stil au oamenii astia sa ureze si in naivitatea lor optimistica , incat pleci cu urarile, le simti pe tot drumu si chiar ajungi cu ele acasa unde oftezi. Caineni. Rm. Valcea. Pitesti. Autostrada. Castile in urechi, citesc ceva dar "Mergi mai incet, ca ma dau jos din masina, trage pe dreapta"-ul Chiritei si "Taci mai din gura mai lasa-ma in pace ca m-ai cicalit tot drumu, sa nu te miri de ce continui sa beau" -ul tatei m-au scos din starea mea si m-au bagat in realitate...trebuie sa ajung la munca, unde mustrarea n-a lipsit, inca stau cu sufletu in gat pana ma intalnesc cu sefa, trebuie sa platesc chiria la camin, miroase a benzina, agitatie. Bucuresti - Ultima frontiera...